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| the 3 witches of color..... | by Luxas for everyone |
Let me tell you about a story, i normally don't do this but it might explain my point....
the was 3 witches and each a color, one was red the other blue and the last one green, they was these colors because of hoods and cloaks they wear.....well the red witch is full of confidence and smart beyond most and the blue was quick in thinking and would take on most challenges, but the green was wise but always getting into trouble.....they all went to a well and they all took books with them and the red on would sit on the hill over looking the will the blue one would be next to the well and the green would would be beneath a tree near a roadside across from the well, well the red one would get a sip of water from the well, then go back to the hill, sit down and open her book and draw....the blue would sip from the well and look up into the stars or sky depending on what time they went and just open the book and put it over her face and go to sleep, the green one would open her book and command one of the other too to bring her some water as she looked out on the roadside wondering if traffic would come by.......well the rain started to fall and the red and green knew they had to seek shelter a bit, but the blue sleeping away forgot all about the world and was happy just where she was.....(the 3 was huddled together after the blue one was awakened) and they saw flashes of light and color in the sky....(the red inspired started to draw, the blue in safely started to draw the land about, and the green called on the forces and made the storm lighter and just placed the words of the call in her book, ) the storm slowed and all was satified
and so they headed for home, when a traveler comes up on the road its a hooded figure that the red and green know well, and askes if they need a ride home, red and green say nah...we will walk its not so bad out.....the blue one says yeah, i'll take the ride.....i was sleeping and the rain fell and we huddled and now i'm all wet, i need to go home quickly....
and off blue went.......(so red and green say to each other perhaps we should have taken the ride, green says but then if we did then we couldn't go shopping without blue.....you know how blue always has to linger, but what about you red says you attract all the attention its a wonder we ever get shopping done, and green says to red...well its better then just thinking we are going to get one thing and never fully pick it up.......so they argue as they talk and argue, and argue, until they reach the shopping area, then they see a strange sight it was blue, not covered in rain clothing and looking like she was shopping, red and green walk over and say.....why are you here? and blue says...you forget i know what my sisters think.......oh, yeah thats right we should have remembered that......but what about you red has green attracted any new guest, no says red she and i just got here, well look behind you and green sees a bit of people about her and says i will change clothing, blue give me what you brought....knowing full well blue brought them both a change of clothing....because green has that gift to know what others will do....she changes and meets her friends whom waled with them..as they was arguing red and green all along the way...red says but you chose the wrong outfit for me blue, you always do that....won't you ever learn, i'm not wearing that, blues eyes went sad and dropped the clothing, but i can see you brought something as well besides my clothing right blue..says red....yeah heres the credit card dad asked me to bring....good old dad always knows when we need something extra...don't tell green......i'm buying something expensive this time......(blue handed the card) and off red went shopping, but then red says to blue....you can come too....shopping red went to pay and the clerk says because you purchased more then just for yourself we have to give you a bigger discount, so they got 3 times the stuff for less then half they had to pay.....(see red says to blue if we would have gone with you none of us would be shopping and getting more then just a walk today, lets buy something for green.......says blue......heck no says red, besides she has no taste......lol
(this story could go on forever but i will and did show you more then most know,)
the was 3 witches and each a color, one was red the other blue and the last one green, they was these colors because of hoods and cloaks they wear.....well the red witch is full of confidence and smart beyond most and the blue was quick in thinking and would take on most challenges, but the green was wise but always getting into trouble.....they all went to a well and they all took books with them and the red on would sit on the hill over looking the will the blue one would be next to the well and the green would would be beneath a tree near a roadside across from the well, well the red one would get a sip of water from the well, then go back to the hill, sit down and open her book and draw....the blue would sip from the well and look up into the stars or sky depending on what time they went and just open the book and put it over her face and go to sleep, the green one would open her book and command one of the other too to bring her some water as she looked out on the roadside wondering if traffic would come by.......well the rain started to fall and the red and green knew they had to seek shelter a bit, but the blue sleeping away forgot all about the world and was happy just where she was.....(the 3 was huddled together after the blue one was awakened) and they saw flashes of light and color in the sky....(the red inspired started to draw, the blue in safely started to draw the land about, and the green called on the forces and made the storm lighter and just placed the words of the call in her book, ) the storm slowed and all was satified
and so they headed for home, when a traveler comes up on the road its a hooded figure that the red and green know well, and askes if they need a ride home, red and green say nah...we will walk its not so bad out.....the blue one says yeah, i'll take the ride.....i was sleeping and the rain fell and we huddled and now i'm all wet, i need to go home quickly....
and off blue went.......(so red and green say to each other perhaps we should have taken the ride, green says but then if we did then we couldn't go shopping without blue.....you know how blue always has to linger, but what about you red says you attract all the attention its a wonder we ever get shopping done, and green says to red...well its better then just thinking we are going to get one thing and never fully pick it up.......so they argue as they talk and argue, and argue, until they reach the shopping area, then they see a strange sight it was blue, not covered in rain clothing and looking like she was shopping, red and green walk over and say.....why are you here? and blue says...you forget i know what my sisters think.......oh, yeah thats right we should have remembered that......but what about you red has green attracted any new guest, no says red she and i just got here, well look behind you and green sees a bit of people about her and says i will change clothing, blue give me what you brought....knowing full well blue brought them both a change of clothing....because green has that gift to know what others will do....she changes and meets her friends whom waled with them..as they was arguing red and green all along the way...red says but you chose the wrong outfit for me blue, you always do that....won't you ever learn, i'm not wearing that, blues eyes went sad and dropped the clothing, but i can see you brought something as well besides my clothing right blue..says red....yeah heres the credit card dad asked me to bring....good old dad always knows when we need something extra...don't tell green......i'm buying something expensive this time......(blue handed the card) and off red went shopping, but then red says to blue....you can come too....shopping red went to pay and the clerk says because you purchased more then just for yourself we have to give you a bigger discount, so they got 3 times the stuff for less then half they had to pay.....(see red says to blue if we would have gone with you none of us would be shopping and getting more then just a walk today, lets buy something for green.......says blue......heck no says red, besides she has no taste......lol
(this story could go on forever but i will and did show you more then most know,)
| to begin again | by Luxas for everyone |
From: "toh"
To: A_W@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: asking.
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 02:08:29 -0800 (PST)
I WANT TO START MY OWN WITCHCRAFT WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW?
(my Reply)
I think your message is i want to start my own wicca-craft, not "witchcraft' because you can't just start your own with the dis-regarding of the other things of the (historical nature) and tools that founded its design....(wicca on the other hand is like changing an adress once you change it you can be who-ever and whatever you want...only your old adress will say otherwise...lol
Those that dis-agree with my statement will do so because they have no idea of what to value or not, they just want things like a pizza, hot, fast and on time or timely.....then after the food comes and they aren't happy.....go to the places that take time and offer a greater meal, it may be abit pricy but you get your fill, instead of cold pizza the next day.....
truthfully the models of the modern wicca-craft designs in witchcraft are just that models, examples, and tokens to the real messages and actions that the "pagan writers" should be asshamed of in "not printing" but well thats only like 45 years ago.....so its water under the bridge.....lol
perhaps if you make it to beginning again, you might get more things right then those whom founded the Wica...goodluck
| The Witches Next Door | by Luxas for everyone |
http://www.crisismagazine.com/june2002/feature4.htm
this link fixes the idea that wicca is witchcraft or in its general nature "witch" like......I beg to differ....
The Witches Next Door
By Sandra Miesel
Ecstatic dancers whirl around a woodland bonfire.( pagan and shaman and just "hippy like gypsy sundancers" not witches (persay) Spells are cast in suburban living rooms. (can be but not likely more (spiritual meta-and yogi designs taken to the feng-ideals....) again not fully witch more "modern witch imagery" and wicca induced as well....A pentagram-wearing priestess wanders through an interfaith festival. (more an advanced version of the cuups design an inter-faith marketplace hunting for the spiritually lost....again very much not the "educated" witches of the post and modern ways.....
Today, witches can be as near as next door-and in the public square as well. (correct) but they aren't as visible as many might think......Wicca (which isn't anything but a concept on the modern image of a witchcraft based study and re-developing style) is a conspicuous part of a burgeoning pagan revival in the Western world (because it has no home). Although hard numbers are impossible to find, there are about 200,000 pagans in the United States (more but again pagan is a different term), 120,000 in Great Britain, and many fewer in other developed countries. (agrees)
More and more, witches seekers are finding wicca are coming out of the broom closet and gaining acceptance as just another religion in a multicultural mosaic (but not as witches but because wicca is posted as "Pagan". Pagan groups are incorporating as churches, led by divinity-schooled clergy legally empowered to perform marriages. (correct, however because of multi-faith designs and laws the religious nature of the clergy must be (church approved) before they can add on to the rituals of this "Pagan embodied ritual" The U.S. military allows pagan services on base (but that because of the freedom of religion act), and the state of Wisconsin just appointed a Wiccan, the Rev. Jamyi Witch, as chaplain in a state prison. And pagans have their own antidefamation organizations to protect their civil rights. (thats because wicca is merged with the "pagan" rights to freedom of religion, paganism, though as well not a religion but a practice like witchcraft..has more right to religion models then "wicca" will ever get.....
Authentic pagan themes-as opposed to conventional fantasy motifs-continue to infiltrate the media (and the fads continue). Bookstores devote yards of shelf space to pagan titles, including Wiccan cookbooks and needlework patterns.(however you find these books not in the occult or paranatural....where they should be you find them in..NewAGE (which can be seen not only as "self help" but fadish and lost in (good-feeling) ganja books.... Tourism targets pagans looking for ancient spiritual sites. Some cars even sport "Born Again Pagan" bumper stickers. (again i thought we was talking witchcraft and witchery..not Pagan as Wiccan...stick to the subject......
Paganism i will admit has many little drawbacks but it is self defined as a true image both historical and in "privlige of ritual rite, it is defining marks in shamanism, and esoteric doctrines of the eco balances......(saddly wicca having no home is just tagging along......(Wicca word please stand-up for yourself, even your own critics don't know the story)
The new pagans practice "Earth religions" of pre-Christian inspiration (saddly they was about even in time of development..). They may be Wiccans, Druids, Shamans, Goddess Celebrants, Polytheists, Sacred Ecologists, or Magicians (Magicians are or was born in the occult mind not paganism..lol again another subject and not pagan.....or witch.....). Their pantheons may be influenced by those of the ancient Near East, Egypt, the Celts, the Norse, or contemporary indigenous religions of Africa and the Americas, with much eclectic mixing. But contrary to popular belief, pagans don't consider themselves New Agers because they aren't monists, don't believe that they create their own realities, and firmly distrust gurus.(that again isn't true....)
Common to all these groups are three principles, outlined by the Pagan Federation of the United Kingdom: (1) reverence for nature (lol, but not to their fellow pagan or witch..lol), (2) adherence to an ethic of "do what thou wilt, but harm none," and (wicca song not pagan or any model of ancient message, unless you are crowley's script writer...lol (3) conception of deity as both goddess and god.(this part is true for pagan and wiccan models however it is contantly changing......and not always for the better... Unstated is their rejection of the Christian God and their denial of the need for a Redeemer.(saddly that again isn't true because the model of the christian house bell ringer (creates the invite to someone who has to be welcomed to be themselves.... Although a few esoteric Christians try to have it both ways and a few pagans revere Christ, paganism simply can't be reconciled with normative Christianity. (ah..yes the pagan jesus) lol
Wiccan Theology
Wicca-the most book popular form of the new paganism-is an initiatory mystery religion that attempts to re-create the ancient religions of western Europe as they want and not in the image of the "history/and or nature". Its usual deities are the Horned God and the Triple Goddess-Maid, Mother, and Crone (taken from the greek/roman mythos) and a few others.... (A few Wiccans see a non-gendered Oneness behind the pair that wasn't always so..they created this stance to better serve as "judge not lest be judged" to hide within the models that was popular at the time....) Other characteristics include three degrees of initiation, use of ceremonial magic, rituals begun with a circle drawn by a female and subsequently divided into symbolic quarters, and leadership by a high priestess who can "draw down the moon," temporarily incarnating her goddess. The high priest may incarnate the god. Practices vary so widely, however, that only general remarks can be offered here-any of which some Wiccans might dispute.(again they change so-much some just call themselves this or that after picking up 3 books..lol) same can be said for most "newage" models after the 70's......
Because "all acts of love and pleasure" are thought to please the goddess, Wiccans tend to be sexually permissive.(yeah right, pagans are witches can be to a point..but only in ritual and most wiccans and their rituals are basicly boring, unless they are pagan educated...) Most support the feminist and gay-rights agendas. Fearing no eternal punishment, they commonly expect to be reincarnated after a pleasant rest in the Summerland of the goddess. (because again changing to the tide that accepts their changes..)
Wiccans have no dogma, hierarchy, or uniform rituals.(again a lie, however they market themselves as to have no direct designs if they aren't "into it"....Witches on the other-hand have rules and rituals, rites, and times and Oaths.....( witches don't normally play about with magic(k) unless its more to have outsiders join then they tend too play) They do typically celebrate four great festivals called "sabbats"-Samhain (October 31), Oimelc (February 1), Beltane (May 1), and Lughnasadh (August 1)-and smaller celebrations on the solstices and equinoxes. Other gatherings may be held for special needs, such as healing, or simply to raise psychic energy. (newage or modern wiccan added).....
Witches do accept the design of the 4 elemental chain and match it to the design in the rituals of seasons....
A practitioner of Wicca is a witch seeker. Indeed, "Wicca" means "male witch (no it doesn't) " in Anglo-Saxon. (A female witch is a wicce (again another madeup concept).) The word also has a false etymology from "wise," so that Wicca is sometimes called "Wisecraft." Some Wiccans are beginning to prefer the designation "pagan," believing the word "witch" has outlived its useful shock value.
(no, they use pagan because wicca arts are becoming pagan derived and not from "witch" imagery they sought to understand...so it makes them in error and they are not wanting that.....)
A witch can practice alone (as a "hedge witch" (another word madeu from the idea of tree imagey as grove, bush, root, or hedge, but unlike grove..drid imagey, or bush...(not the president..but a gathering of pagan type naming, and root...which should be ovious where it come from....lol "hedge" is the only word that doesn't fully fit....but whatever..), surfacing only occasionally for collective rituals. More than 90 percent of British wiccan called "witches" and many American ones stay independent (because they know not what they do...most tend to know only what they are taught, so they have no "full" guides...". Others join covens, ideally composed of 13 members, though most are smaller. The coven is paganism's equivalent of Christianity's small faith-sharing group. (again another mis-conception)
"Cocooning into the coven" ideally creates a supportive religious family; however, closeness may also breed friction, so members come and go, covens form and fold. Wiccan witches in pagan messages... and other kinds of pagans do sometimes collaborate, as in the Covenant of the Goddess, an association founded in California and now international.
(growth and change happens but if your in your in, only you can remove yourself if your truthful, otherwise you get struggle and that is where the end happens or hype)
Wiccans aren't Satanists. (Please say this three times before reading further. "true" however they can be satanist in the wiccan methods same as said in their christian methods and other methods..i think i see a pattern here don't you..?) They don't acknowledge-much less worship-a personalized principle of evil (yeah they do its called the all mighty dollar, pagans don't..). The charge of Satanism is perhaps the sorest point between witches and Christians:(again we are talking witches not "wiccan church politics" Fear of malevolent Satan-worshipers kindled the early modern witch-hunt, whose victims contemporary witches like to claim as kin in an effort to secure victim status (see "Who Burned the Witches?" October 2001). (madeup by those whoms relitives was killed however they was killed not because of witchcraft but because of fear by churches to control the masses by faith...(and the ones whom died wasn't always "witchery" educated...
Paradoxically, Wiccans don't necessarily consider the deities they invoke to be real (because they have no skill to make it real or react....). Noted British witch Vivianne Crowley called them "human images of reality, not reality itself." Goddess-celebrant Starhawk paradoxically claims they are both real and created. (Consistency isn't a virtue in paganism.) The goddesses and gods may be only archetypes or symbols of natural forces or psychological projections. In theory at least, atheists could be witches (perhaps) and wiccans can be donkeys..but whats your point.... But current trends within paganism are moving toward a more literal polytheism of personalized goddesses and gods. Under no version of Wicca do these beings command or punish.( because wiccan messages wants you to believe they are without fault and so when they work will they serve the greater good, however if you go to one meeting you know thats incorrect...)
Witchcraft punishes those whom break, bend or mess with the laws and oath that one must establish beforehand..if you do't then "you can do as you will because your not holding to anything" so thats why wicca misses the message..but when your withing the powers of witches heart your words become your bond and your bond your words"...ect...much more....
This is all i will endow for now
Wicca by its ver essense isn't "educated enought" in self control, self awareness and methods and ritual fine tuning to be 1/5 witchcraft let alone "witch"
but in time it could be if giving the care and the design and the need to be more then just a "pagan imagey of following" it will.......as i said all things grow.....
(see the document above) and wonder what i might have said.......or perhaps you know....already......
Enjoy Wicca
Enjoy Shamanism
Enjoy Druidism
Enjoy Witchcraft aka witchery
Enjoy Paganism
Don't change what you are just try to be more of what you say you are and nature will follow you and make it So
Just Another Next Door Witchery Teacher
Lux
this link fixes the idea that wicca is witchcraft or in its general nature "witch" like......I beg to differ....
The Witches Next Door
By Sandra Miesel
Ecstatic dancers whirl around a woodland bonfire.( pagan and shaman and just "hippy like gypsy sundancers" not witches (persay) Spells are cast in suburban living rooms. (can be but not likely more (spiritual meta-and yogi designs taken to the feng-ideals....) again not fully witch more "modern witch imagery" and wicca induced as well....A pentagram-wearing priestess wanders through an interfaith festival. (more an advanced version of the cuups design an inter-faith marketplace hunting for the spiritually lost....again very much not the "educated" witches of the post and modern ways.....
Today, witches can be as near as next door-and in the public square as well. (correct) but they aren't as visible as many might think......Wicca (which isn't anything but a concept on the modern image of a witchcraft based study and re-developing style) is a conspicuous part of a burgeoning pagan revival in the Western world (because it has no home). Although hard numbers are impossible to find, there are about 200,000 pagans in the United States (more but again pagan is a different term), 120,000 in Great Britain, and many fewer in other developed countries. (agrees)
More and more, witches seekers are finding wicca are coming out of the broom closet and gaining acceptance as just another religion in a multicultural mosaic (but not as witches but because wicca is posted as "Pagan". Pagan groups are incorporating as churches, led by divinity-schooled clergy legally empowered to perform marriages. (correct, however because of multi-faith designs and laws the religious nature of the clergy must be (church approved) before they can add on to the rituals of this "Pagan embodied ritual" The U.S. military allows pagan services on base (but that because of the freedom of religion act), and the state of Wisconsin just appointed a Wiccan, the Rev. Jamyi Witch, as chaplain in a state prison. And pagans have their own antidefamation organizations to protect their civil rights. (thats because wicca is merged with the "pagan" rights to freedom of religion, paganism, though as well not a religion but a practice like witchcraft..has more right to religion models then "wicca" will ever get.....
Authentic pagan themes-as opposed to conventional fantasy motifs-continue to infiltrate the media (and the fads continue). Bookstores devote yards of shelf space to pagan titles, including Wiccan cookbooks and needlework patterns.(however you find these books not in the occult or paranatural....where they should be you find them in..NewAGE (which can be seen not only as "self help" but fadish and lost in (good-feeling) ganja books.... Tourism targets pagans looking for ancient spiritual sites. Some cars even sport "Born Again Pagan" bumper stickers. (again i thought we was talking witchcraft and witchery..not Pagan as Wiccan...stick to the subject......
Paganism i will admit has many little drawbacks but it is self defined as a true image both historical and in "privlige of ritual rite, it is defining marks in shamanism, and esoteric doctrines of the eco balances......(saddly wicca having no home is just tagging along......(Wicca word please stand-up for yourself, even your own critics don't know the story)
The new pagans practice "Earth religions" of pre-Christian inspiration (saddly they was about even in time of development..). They may be Wiccans, Druids, Shamans, Goddess Celebrants, Polytheists, Sacred Ecologists, or Magicians (Magicians are or was born in the occult mind not paganism..lol again another subject and not pagan.....or witch.....). Their pantheons may be influenced by those of the ancient Near East, Egypt, the Celts, the Norse, or contemporary indigenous religions of Africa and the Americas, with much eclectic mixing. But contrary to popular belief, pagans don't consider themselves New Agers because they aren't monists, don't believe that they create their own realities, and firmly distrust gurus.(that again isn't true....)
Common to all these groups are three principles, outlined by the Pagan Federation of the United Kingdom: (1) reverence for nature (lol, but not to their fellow pagan or witch..lol), (2) adherence to an ethic of "do what thou wilt, but harm none," and (wicca song not pagan or any model of ancient message, unless you are crowley's script writer...lol (3) conception of deity as both goddess and god.(this part is true for pagan and wiccan models however it is contantly changing......and not always for the better... Unstated is their rejection of the Christian God and their denial of the need for a Redeemer.(saddly that again isn't true because the model of the christian house bell ringer (creates the invite to someone who has to be welcomed to be themselves.... Although a few esoteric Christians try to have it both ways and a few pagans revere Christ, paganism simply can't be reconciled with normative Christianity. (ah..yes the pagan jesus) lol
Wiccan Theology
Wicca-the most book popular form of the new paganism-is an initiatory mystery religion that attempts to re-create the ancient religions of western Europe as they want and not in the image of the "history/and or nature". Its usual deities are the Horned God and the Triple Goddess-Maid, Mother, and Crone (taken from the greek/roman mythos) and a few others.... (A few Wiccans see a non-gendered Oneness behind the pair that wasn't always so..they created this stance to better serve as "judge not lest be judged" to hide within the models that was popular at the time....) Other characteristics include three degrees of initiation, use of ceremonial magic, rituals begun with a circle drawn by a female and subsequently divided into symbolic quarters, and leadership by a high priestess who can "draw down the moon," temporarily incarnating her goddess. The high priest may incarnate the god. Practices vary so widely, however, that only general remarks can be offered here-any of which some Wiccans might dispute.(again they change so-much some just call themselves this or that after picking up 3 books..lol) same can be said for most "newage" models after the 70's......
Because "all acts of love and pleasure" are thought to please the goddess, Wiccans tend to be sexually permissive.(yeah right, pagans are witches can be to a point..but only in ritual and most wiccans and their rituals are basicly boring, unless they are pagan educated...) Most support the feminist and gay-rights agendas. Fearing no eternal punishment, they commonly expect to be reincarnated after a pleasant rest in the Summerland of the goddess. (because again changing to the tide that accepts their changes..)
Wiccans have no dogma, hierarchy, or uniform rituals.(again a lie, however they market themselves as to have no direct designs if they aren't "into it"....Witches on the other-hand have rules and rituals, rites, and times and Oaths.....( witches don't normally play about with magic(k) unless its more to have outsiders join then they tend too play) They do typically celebrate four great festivals called "sabbats"-Samhain (October 31), Oimelc (February 1), Beltane (May 1), and Lughnasadh (August 1)-and smaller celebrations on the solstices and equinoxes. Other gatherings may be held for special needs, such as healing, or simply to raise psychic energy. (newage or modern wiccan added).....
Witches do accept the design of the 4 elemental chain and match it to the design in the rituals of seasons....
A practitioner of Wicca is a witch seeker. Indeed, "Wicca" means "male witch (no it doesn't) " in Anglo-Saxon. (A female witch is a wicce (again another madeup concept).) The word also has a false etymology from "wise," so that Wicca is sometimes called "Wisecraft." Some Wiccans are beginning to prefer the designation "pagan," believing the word "witch" has outlived its useful shock value.
(no, they use pagan because wicca arts are becoming pagan derived and not from "witch" imagery they sought to understand...so it makes them in error and they are not wanting that.....)
A witch can practice alone (as a "hedge witch" (another word madeu from the idea of tree imagey as grove, bush, root, or hedge, but unlike grove..drid imagey, or bush...(not the president..but a gathering of pagan type naming, and root...which should be ovious where it come from....lol "hedge" is the only word that doesn't fully fit....but whatever..), surfacing only occasionally for collective rituals. More than 90 percent of British wiccan called "witches" and many American ones stay independent (because they know not what they do...most tend to know only what they are taught, so they have no "full" guides...". Others join covens, ideally composed of 13 members, though most are smaller. The coven is paganism's equivalent of Christianity's small faith-sharing group. (again another mis-conception)
"Cocooning into the coven" ideally creates a supportive religious family; however, closeness may also breed friction, so members come and go, covens form and fold. Wiccan witches in pagan messages... and other kinds of pagans do sometimes collaborate, as in the Covenant of the Goddess, an association founded in California and now international.
(growth and change happens but if your in your in, only you can remove yourself if your truthful, otherwise you get struggle and that is where the end happens or hype)
Wiccans aren't Satanists. (Please say this three times before reading further. "true" however they can be satanist in the wiccan methods same as said in their christian methods and other methods..i think i see a pattern here don't you..?) They don't acknowledge-much less worship-a personalized principle of evil (yeah they do its called the all mighty dollar, pagans don't..). The charge of Satanism is perhaps the sorest point between witches and Christians:(again we are talking witches not "wiccan church politics" Fear of malevolent Satan-worshipers kindled the early modern witch-hunt, whose victims contemporary witches like to claim as kin in an effort to secure victim status (see "Who Burned the Witches?" October 2001). (madeup by those whoms relitives was killed however they was killed not because of witchcraft but because of fear by churches to control the masses by faith...(and the ones whom died wasn't always "witchery" educated...
Paradoxically, Wiccans don't necessarily consider the deities they invoke to be real (because they have no skill to make it real or react....). Noted British witch Vivianne Crowley called them "human images of reality, not reality itself." Goddess-celebrant Starhawk paradoxically claims they are both real and created. (Consistency isn't a virtue in paganism.) The goddesses and gods may be only archetypes or symbols of natural forces or psychological projections. In theory at least, atheists could be witches (perhaps) and wiccans can be donkeys..but whats your point.... But current trends within paganism are moving toward a more literal polytheism of personalized goddesses and gods. Under no version of Wicca do these beings command or punish.( because wiccan messages wants you to believe they are without fault and so when they work will they serve the greater good, however if you go to one meeting you know thats incorrect...)
Witchcraft punishes those whom break, bend or mess with the laws and oath that one must establish beforehand..if you do't then "you can do as you will because your not holding to anything" so thats why wicca misses the message..but when your withing the powers of witches heart your words become your bond and your bond your words"...ect...much more....
This is all i will endow for now
Wicca by its ver essense isn't "educated enought" in self control, self awareness and methods and ritual fine tuning to be 1/5 witchcraft let alone "witch"
but in time it could be if giving the care and the design and the need to be more then just a "pagan imagey of following" it will.......as i said all things grow.....
(see the document above) and wonder what i might have said.......or perhaps you know....already......
Enjoy Wicca
Enjoy Shamanism
Enjoy Druidism
Enjoy Witchcraft aka witchery
Enjoy Paganism
Don't change what you are just try to be more of what you say you are and nature will follow you and make it So
Just Another Next Door Witchery Teacher
Lux
| dragon group rebirth | by wzdrylmaster for everyone |
due
to the large interest in the secrets of the 3 mastery forms of personal
and select magic(k) designs the "dragon school of the golden ones" will
be re-opening.....
Locally only sorry and by invite: it is free to come to the sessions but for the ones whom want to join a "membership donation of 25-50.00 is required" but thats after the meet and greet....if you want more....
Maryland Area and its about 2 times a month...........
Unlike the other groups of story telling, and debated pagan messages and group activities, we will only focus on the levels and nature of the magic(k) and its tools....and why...
there are rules:
1. the person coming to share must also be willing to listen otherwise invite is closed,
2. religion or religious politics or designs are not to be debated or talked about here.....(this isn't a church) or confessional.....
3. this isn't a pagan group, so no trying to hook-up, out-due, mess with, or placate to the others unless you want your invite removed....(and its not a self help group as well)
4. any form of magic(k) study or practice is at the actions of the head of the group and not to be just (well---) you should know this rule......
and a few other rules offered up at the invite.....
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if your within travel distance and are able to attend then we can see if you can be invited as well......
process of invites begin in late april......but you can setup a seat before then.....if you want...
I'm willing to do this for those whom want to truly study both young and abit older and for those whom have little or no cash for my "big very educational courses".....but even that we aren't going to be selling here......
Its for DRAGON SHARING and thats it..for now.....
so lets see what 2013 will bring.. or am i ahead of you here as well,
Master Golden Wizard
Teacher/Guide to Dragons of the Golden Ones (as well)
leave an email
at: wizardluxas@hotmail.com
and we shall go from there.........................
Locally only sorry and by invite: it is free to come to the sessions but for the ones whom want to join a "membership donation of 25-50.00 is required" but thats after the meet and greet....if you want more....
Maryland Area and its about 2 times a month...........
Unlike the other groups of story telling, and debated pagan messages and group activities, we will only focus on the levels and nature of the magic(k) and its tools....and why...
there are rules:
1. the person coming to share must also be willing to listen otherwise invite is closed,
2. religion or religious politics or designs are not to be debated or talked about here.....(this isn't a church) or confessional.....
3. this isn't a pagan group, so no trying to hook-up, out-due, mess with, or placate to the others unless you want your invite removed....(and its not a self help group as well)
4. any form of magic(k) study or practice is at the actions of the head of the group and not to be just (well---) you should know this rule......
and a few other rules offered up at the invite.....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if your within travel distance and are able to attend then we can see if you can be invited as well......
process of invites begin in late april......but you can setup a seat before then.....if you want...
I'm willing to do this for those whom want to truly study both young and abit older and for those whom have little or no cash for my "big very educational courses".....but even that we aren't going to be selling here......
Its for DRAGON SHARING and thats it..for now.....
so lets see what 2013 will bring.. or am i ahead of you here as well,
Master Golden Wizard
Teacher/Guide to Dragons of the Golden Ones (as well)
leave an email
at: wizardluxas@hotmail.com
and we shall go from there.........................
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